Iyer/Noguchi on med school admissions: Virtual Coffee Date pt 2

ken and amulya

Here with Amulya Iyer, current med school applicant.  A continuation of last week's post, analyzing and critiquing med school admissions. 

Ken: Another half-baked idea to build on the intangibles: in the NBA, teams send scouts out to check out top college players.  Why don’t med school do the same?  Send some faculty out to the local colleges, observe students in class, chat with other students, read the school newspaper, get the pulse of the school. 

At this school, which students matter? 

If you’re a school like Stanford – intentionally trying to recruit the future leaders of medicine – wouldn’t you want the students that matter?  Can you tell that from a resume, where everyone looks the same?  Nah.  Can you tell that by going to a school and talking to the dean, the department chairs, a handful of students?  For sure. 

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Amulya: Love this. It sounds difficult logistically, but I doubt that it really is. Let’s get some stats in here courtesy of University of Michigan. Thus far in the application process they have made 117 interview offers: 54% of these interviews were made to students from just 9 undergraduate institutions.

A school like Michigan could benefit enormously from sending an ‘MD scout’ to each of those 9 schools for a week or two and seeing the students in action in the classroom or with their friends. If it works for the NBA, why not use it in medicine? When a player retires from the NBA, they become a scout. When a doctor retires from practicing medicine, he should become a scout.

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md scout home base

Ken: True.  Wouldn’t retired doctors love this?  This blows golfing out of the water. 

If you’re an MD scout, what are you looking for?

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Amulya: Hmmm, tough question. Just off the top of my head, if I was a scout chilling in the back of a classroom discussion I'd look for:

1.) Works well with others and functions well in a group setting.

2.) Shows intellectual curiosity.

3.) Respected by peers and teachers.

Just like I don't think it's fair to judge an MD applicant based on their paper application alone, they shouldn't be judged just on the MD scout. Instead, the scout should serve to single out candidates that wouldn't necessarily be noticed otherwise. I imagine the scout sitting in the classroom, meeting with Dean's and professors, going to sports practices, etc. with a list of pre-med students and then flagging some of those students as 'studs'. And it could also serve the opposite purpose - if someone is clearly selfish, then those tags can work against them.

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If I was MD scouting at Kenyon in 2012 here is what I would look for.  

#1 - I would survey every science major to name the best student.  I'm a huge huge fan of respect by peers.  If someone's a beast, who better to know than the people always around them?

#2 - I would go to watch honors thesis presentations and pick out the students with the best presence. People with good stage presence are good with people - thus they'd be good doctors.  

people who go big, will keep going big.
true or false?

#3 - I would figure out who won these three awards: Anderson Cup, MLK Award, and the Humanitarian Award.  Basically, this tells you who mattered at Kenyon that year.  If they mattered at Kenyon, they'll probably keep mattering in med school.  

#4 - I would ask the athletic director to pick the top 10 athletes.  There should be more points for athletics in the admissions process.  If you have an average premed student that spends a ton of time training to be D3 Nationals caliber swimmer, what does he do when he's done with competitive swimming?  Probably training to be an excellent doctor.

If there's any top athletes with any of #1, 2, or 3 I would offer them admission on the spot. 

Anyways, we’re getting long we’ll cut it off here.  Let me know if you have any ideas to make the med school admissions process any better.

See you on the other side,

from amulya and ken